Chumsri, Saranya

Abstract Purpose: While an addition of immune checkpoint inhibitor (ICI), pembrolizumab, has improved outcomes of patients with TNBC, early-stage TNBC patients with residual cancer burden (RCB) II/III after neoadjuvant chemotherapy in combination with pembrolizumab (NAP) still have poor outcomes. Previously, we demonstrated that intratumoral HLA-DRA expression and interferon-alpha (IFNα) responses were associated with immune-inflamed phenotype and better outcomes in TNBC patients receiving chemotherapy. This study utilized the CosMx™ SMI to investigate in early-stage TNBC treated with NAP. Methods: Of 151 samples from TNBC patients treated with NAP at Mayo Clinic, 8 pre-treatment biopsy samples (5 pCR and 3 RCB II/III were analyzed using the CosMx™ SMI platform. Linear mixed models to assess differential expression (DE), adjusting for hierarchical data structures. DE analyses were expressed as log2-fold changes (logFC), with the Benjamini-Yekutieli method. GSEA and IPA for signaling pathway exploration. Results: 1.7 million cells were identified across 8 samples after stringent quality control. Immune cell profiling revealed higher B cells, plasma cells, plasmablasts, and T cells (CD4 and CD8) in responders, whereas fibroblasts and myeloid cells were enriched in non-responders. DE analysis showed significantly elevated expression of HLA-DRA (logFC 1.955, p<0.001), other MHC class I and II components, and IFNα in responders. Tumor cells in responders exhibited the highest IFNα expression across cell types. GSEA and IPA analysis revealed enrichment in interferon signaling, antigen presentation, and the cGAS-STING pathway, which drives IFNα production. Spatial analysis categorized cells by their proximity to tumor cells: within 50 µm, 50-100 µm, and over 100 µm. T cells, particularly CD8 T cells, showed a distance-dependent distribution, with a higher abundance near tumor cells in responders. CD8 T cell activation scores declined with increasing distance from IFNα-positive tumor cells but remained consistently low near IFNα-negative tumor cells. IFNγ-positive CD8 T cells exhibited higher activation compared to IFNγ-negative cells, with activation levels influenced by proximity to tumor cells. Lastly, MHC expression in tumor cells was examined relative to CD8 T cell proximity. HLA-DRA and CIITA expression decreased as tumor cells were farther from CD8 T cells. Conclusions: This spatially resolved single-cell analysis highlights the pivotal role of tumor-immune interactions in response to pembrolizumab in TNBC. Our data suggest that tumor cells secrete IFNα through the activation of the cGAS-STING pathway, which activates T cells within close proximity, highlighting the potential role of cGAS-STING agonist as well as IFNα signaling and antigen presentation in augmenting TNBC responses to ICIs. Citation Format: Yi Liu, Saranya Chumsri, Yaohua Ma, Jodi M. Carter, Aziza Nassar, Edith Perez, Roberto A. Leon-Ferre, David Zahrieh, David W. Hillman, Judy C. Boughey, James Ingle, Krishna R. Kalari, Fergus J. Couch, Matthew P. Goetz, Keith L. Knutson, E. Aubrey Thompson. Spatially resolved single-cell analysis reveals cGAS-STING-mediated tumor-immune interactions via IFNα as determinants of pembrolizumab sensitivity in triple-negative breast cancer [abstract]. In: Proceedings of the American Association for Cancer Research Annual Meeting 2025; Part 1 (Regular Abstracts); 2025 Apr 25-30; Chicago, IL. Philadelphia (PA): AACR; Cancer Res 2025;85(8_Suppl_1):Abstract nr 7130.

Abstract Circulating tumor cells (CTCs) are cancer cells that detach from tumors, enter the blood and seed distant sites. CTCs spread as single cells, or cluster aggregates, and can be heterogenous with differing biological phenotypes, i.e. epithelial, mesenchymal, progenitor, & stem cell. Three clinically relevant CTC subtypes are often described in patients (pts) 1) CTCs with normal epithelial traits (strong filamentous cytokeratin (CK+ & CD45-/CD14-), 2) Epithelial-mesenchymal CTCs (EMTs), cancer cells with downregulated epithelial & upregulated mesenchymal traits (low diffused CK+, CD45-/CD14-) and 3) tumor-macrophage fusion cells (TMFCs), cancer cells that fuse with macrophages (polynucleated DAPI+, diffuse CK+ and CD14+/CD45+). To better elucidate the biological and clinical importance of the 3 CTC subtypes, we isolated CTCs by a marker agnostic method from the blood of n=49 metastatic cancer pts. We then enumerated and phenotypically subtyped CTCs comparing clinical utility of clustering and CTC heterogeneity over 2 years. Peripheral blood samples were collected from 49 metastatic cancer pts, breast (n=38), pancreatic (n=9), colon (n=3), lung (n=1), and prostate (n=1). Whole blood (7.5mL) was filtered by size exclusion using CellSieve microfilters and fluorescently stained for CD45, CD14, CK, and DAPI to identify CTCs, EMTs and TMFCs. Cells were imaged, enumerated and fluors quenched by the QUAS-R technique; followed by re-stained for CD44, CD24, CD133, CD144, N-Cadherin, EpCAM, and Vimentin. Markers were categorized as negative, low, medium, or high. A heterogeneity biomarker score was developed as high, 2-3 log deviations between marker expression, or low 0-1. Pt progressive free survival (PFS) and overall survival (OS) were analyzed over 2 years. CTCs were found in 40% of pts, EMTs in 51%, & TMFCs in ∼93%. For subtyping, CD44 was in CTCs 88%, EMTs 59%, & TMFCs 91%; CD24 in CTCs 40%, EMTs 41%, & TMFCs 6%; CD133 in CTCs 100%, EMTs 8%, & TMFCs 100%; CD144 in CTCs 100%, EMTs 77%, & TMFCs 82%; N-cadherin in CTCs 100%, EMTs 0%, & TMFCs 45%; Vimentin in CTCs 51%, EMTs 100%, & TMFCs 83%; EpCAM in CTCs 74%, EMTs 12%, & TMFCs 20%. CTCs and EMTs were found to have high heterogeneity in 30% of samples in both individual cells and clusters, with a high biomarker heterogeneity significantly correlated with poorer outcomes (PFS: HR=15.4, p=0.0014, CI=3.4-68.9; OS: HR=12.4, p=0.0056, CI=2.6-59.1). TMFCs were found to have high heterogeneity, 40% of samples, but this was not correlated with outcomes. In this pilot study, it appeared that isolated CTC, EMTs and TMFCs subtypes have differing heterogenous expressions of epithelial, mesenchymal, progenitor, and stem cell markers. Further, high rates biomarker heterogeneity in CTCs and EMTs, but not TMFCs, correlated with faster rates of progression & death. Larger validation experiments with biomarker stratification is ongoing. Citation Format: Alexis B. Duffy, Massimo Cristofanilli, Carolina Reduzzi, Cha-Mei Tang, Saranya Chumsri, Susan Tsai, Mohammed Aldakkak, Daniel L. Adams. Heterogeneity of epithelial, mesenchymal, progenitor, and stem cell phenotypes on CTCs correlates to clinical outcomes in metastatic cancer patients [abstract]. In: Proceedings of the American Association for Cancer Research Annual Meeting 2025; Part 1 (Regular Abstracts); 2025 Apr 25-30; Chicago, IL. Philadelphia (PA): AACR; Cancer Res 2025;85(8_Suppl_1):Abstract nr 1989.

Abstract Tumor associated macrophages are known to fuse with cancer cells resulting in the formation of a cellular phenomenon called tumor-macrophage fusion cells (TMFCs). TMFCs are a highly aggressive cell subtype that may move into circulation, evade immune surveillance, and possibly aid in seeding of metastatic sites. The formation of TMFCs involves CD47, a ubiquitous surface receptor that acts as a “don’t eat me” signal, interacting with the macrophage protein SIRPa, a down regulator of phagocytosis, and syncytin-1, a mediator of hyperploidy cancer fusion. In this analysis, we isolated circulating TMFCs from the blood of n=39 metastatic cancer patients (pts) to evaluate the expressions of CD47, SIRPa and syncytin-1 as it relates to stable or progressive disease via 30 day imaging by PET scan. We conducted a prospective pilot study of n=39 pts with pathologically confirmed metastatic breast (n=17), prostate (n=7), pancreas (n=7), or colon (n=8) cancer receiving standard of care systemic therapy. We isolated TMFCs from 7.5ml peripheral blood using a CellSieve microfilter, and stained with CD47, SIRPa, & syncytin-1. TMFCs were identified based on large cell size (>30 µm) & multinucleated structure, and were categorized into 4 distinct subtypes: A) >2 distinct non-contacting nuclei within a TMFC, B) 2 distinct non-contacting nuclei, C) 2 contacting nuclei, D) a single multinucleated nuclei. CD47, SIRPa, and syncytin-1 expressions were categorized as negative, low, or high. TMFCs subtypes and marker expressions were compared to pts’ clinical status (i.e. progressive, stable or responding) at first available PET/CT scans after blood draw (∼45 days). TMFCs were identified in 72% of pts (n=28/39), average 8 cells/sample, and ranged 1-77 cells. Of the TMFCs, 12% were subtype A, 11% as B, 11% as C, and 66% as D. CD47 expression was seen in 100% of TMFs, with low expression in 39% of subtype A cells, 58% subtype B, 39% subtype C, & 62% subtype D. Notably, CD47 was significantly lower (p=0.010) in subtype B than other groups. Further, the expression of syncytin-1 in subtype B cells was significantly lower (p=0.02) than in other subtypes, and subtype D cells had 75% higher syncytin-1 localized to the nuclear regions. No correlations were found in the SIRPa expression and subtypes. Interestingly, progressing pts had 200% more TMFCs, more subtype B (83%), and significantly lower (p<0.001) CD47 expressing TMFCs than non-progressing pts. In this pilot study on the expression profiles of circulating TMFCs, it appears that specific subtypes of TMFC with low CD47 expression may be associated with progressive disease. Interestingly, this contrasts existing studies on primary tumors which often correlate higher CD47 with more aggressive cancers. This finding suggests that low CD47 cancer cells circulate blood in some pts with progressing disease and may be pertinent to efforts targeting CD47 in cancer. Citation Format: Sonia Muthuraj, Massimo Cristofanilli, Saranya Chumsri, Susan Tsai, Raymond C. Bergan, Cha-Mei Tang, Daniel L. Adams. Low CD47 expression in specific populations of tumor macrophage fusion cells in blood correlates with progressive disease in metastatic cancers [abstract]. In: Proceedings of the American Association for Cancer Research Annual Meeting 2025; Part 1 (Regular Abstracts); 2025 Apr 25-30; Chicago, IL. Philadelphia (PA): AACR; Cancer Res 2025;85(8_Suppl_1):Abstract nr 1979.

Abstract Purpose: Activation of the RAS/MAPK pathway is associated with reduced tumor-infiltrating lymphocytes and poor outcomes in triple-negative breast cancer. Previous studies demonstrated that inhibition of the MAPK pathway with a MEK inhibitor is synergistic with immune checkpoint inhibitors. Patients and Methods: We conducted a phase I/II trial of pembrolizumab and binimetinib in patients with metastatic triple-negative breast cancer with ≤3 prior lines of therapy. There were two dose levels (DL) with binimetinib at 45 mg at DL 0 and 30 mg at DL −1. Results: The recommended phase II dose was the standard dose of pembrolizumab with binimetinib 30 mg twice daily. The objective response rate (ORR) was 30.4%, with a numerically higher ORR in patients without liver metastasis at 45.5%. Among patients who achieved objective responses, 80% had a duration of response >12 months and ongoing even after stopping treatment (5.4–69.0 months). Patients with PD-L1–positive tumors (modified proportion score ≥10) were more likely to respond with an ORR of 66.7%. However, clinical benefit was observed in 25% of patients with PD-L1–negative tumors. Consistent with preclinical studies, four of six patients with clinical benefit had either increased PD-L1 or decreased p-ERK expressions in serial circulating cancer-associated macrophage-like cells after starting binimetinib. Conclusions: Pembrolizumab and binimetinib at 30 mg are safe with manageable toxicities. Promising activity was observed in patients without liver metastases. Future larger clinical trials are warranted to further evaluate the efficacy of this chemotherapy-free combination.

Background: The Clinical Treatment Score post-5 years (CTS5) is a risk stratification tool used to determine the risk of late recurrence in hormone receptor–positive (HR+), HER2-negative breast cancer (BC). Limited data exist on its use in HR+, HER2-positive (HER2+) BC. Patients and Methods: CTS5 was evaluated in HR+, HER2+ BC in the North Central Cancer Treatment Group (NCCTG) N9831 (Alliance) and NSABP B-31 (NRG) trials. Results: A total of 1,862 patients with HR+, HER2+ BC without recurrence 5 years after enrollment were included. Overall, the CTS5 score was significantly associated with recurrence-free survival (RFS), with a hazard ratio (HR) of 1.35 (95% CI, 1.12–1.63; P=.002), but did not reach statistical significance in patients who received trastuzumab (n=829; HR, 1.29; 95% CI, 0.98–1.71; P=.07). CTS5 risk category was not significantly associated with RFS. In patients who received trastuzumab, other variables used in CTS5, including patient age and tumor size, were not significantly associated with RFS. N3 was significantly associated with worse outcomes (HR, 1.86; 95% CI, 1.09–3.17; P=.02) compared with N0–N1. Paradoxically, higher tumor grade was associated with better outcomes after 5 years in the multivariate analysis (HR, 0.71; 95% CI, 0.50–1.00; P=.05). The incidence of recurrences or deaths between years 5 to 10 was 10.6% in the CTS5 low-risk category, 5.6% in the intermediate-risk category, and 9.8% in the high-risk category. Conclusions: The CTS5 model does not accurately predict the risk of late recurrence in HR+, HER2+ BC treated with adjuvant trastuzumab in the N9831 and B-31 trials. This study underlines the need to develop a new prognostic model to better delineate the risk of late recurrence in patients with HR+, HER2+ BC receiving adjuvant trastuzumab. ClinicalTrials.gov identifiers: NCT00005970 (NCCTG N9831) and NCT00004067 (NRG/NSABP B-31).

TPS2700 Background: Though immunotherapy with anti-PD-1 immune checkpoint inhibitors (ICIs) has led to improvements in clinical outcomes in patients with cancer, when used as monotherapy in the advanced setting, only 18-25% of patients respond to ICI. Notably, ICI frequently lacks anti-tumor activity in immune-cold cancers where T cell priming is missing. Recent breakthroughs in identifying personal neoantigens via a comprehensive analysis of cancer sequencing data have brought increased attention to neoantigen cancer vaccines. Personalized cancer vaccines targeting neoantigens have shown early promise. While neoantigens have recently been investigated in some cancer types, the current neoantigen prediction algorithms have often focused on the MHC class-I subtype, single nucleotide mutations (SNM), small insertions and deletions (INDEL). We recently developed an informatics workflow, REAL-neo, for the identification, quality control (QC), and prioritization of both class-I and class-II human leukocyte antigen (HLA) bound neoantigens that arise from somatic SNM, INDEL, aberrant RNA splicing, and gene fusions, generating much more potent neoantigen candidates. Furthermore, we demonstrated robust T-cell response and prolonged survival by combining ICI and cancer vaccines in preclinical models. This single-arm phase I clinical trial is in progress to assess the safety, feasibility, and immunogenicity of personalized neoantigen vaccines in combination with pembrolizumab in patients with advanced solid cancers. Methods: The vaccine consists of up to 20 peptides (15-30 mer) comprising patient-specific neoantigens identified from tumor DNA and mRNA sequencing data using REAL-neo and delivered with GM-CSF as an adjuvant. The first cohort of three patients will be treated at dose level 1 consisting of 4 or 5 peptides at 300 mcg/peptide and GM-CSF 125 mcg per injection site in each of four limbs. After Cohort 1 is deemed safe, the study will expand to cohort 2, when patients will be enrolled at the same dose level for vaccine plus Pembrolizumab 200 mg i.v. Neoantigen vaccine will be given via subcutaneous injection on days 1, 4, 8, 15, and 21 (cohorts 1 and 2) and weeks 5 and 8 (booster dose for cohort 2 only). Cohort 1 has been completed without dose-limiting toxicity (DLT). Enrollment in Cohort 2 began in January 2024. AEs are assessed according to CTCAE v5. and safety findings are reviewed by data safety medical board (DSMB). Key eligibility criteria include 1) histologically confirmed locally advanced or metastatic solid malignancies and 2) cancer progression after at least one line of the standard-of-care (SOC) systemic treatment. For cohort 2, patients must be eligible to receive pembrolizumab per SOC or the treating physician’s judgment. Clinical trial information: NCT05269381 .

e13119 Background: Breast cancer metastasis to the central nervous system (CNS) and intracranial area often leads to severe morbidity and mortality. While systemic treatments manage systemic tumors, their impact on CNS/intracranial metastases is limited. Cell based therapies like SV-BR-1-GM may overcome this limitation. SV-BR-1-GM is a GM-CSF secreting, antigen-presenting immortalized breast cancer cell line. We report its efficacy on CNS tumor regression. Methods: Post-hoc analysis of a subset of all advanced MBC patients with CNS/intracranial metastases from previous phase 1, 2, and an ongoing randomized phase 2, trials (n=7 subjects) of SV-BR-1-GM. Bria-IMT monotherapy (intradermal SV-BR-1-GM + cyclophosphamide 300 mg/m2, +interferon-alpha) was administered q3wks to 2 subjects; an immune checkpoint inhibitor (ICI) was administered with each cycle in the combination setting (n=5). Results: There were 7 patients with intracranial metastases at baseline of whom 5 had intracranial tumor responses. Of the 5 responders, median pt age = 66 (range 58-70), median prior lines = 5.5 (3-13), and median time from initial diagnosis = 7.5 years (3-10). 4/5 pts had ≥1 HLA class match with SV-BR-1-GM. 3 were HR + and 1 HER2 +. Pt A002 (ER+/PR+, HER2-) received 6/6 planned cycles, achieving an 83% reduction in breast lesions; after 3 months off therapy, imaging revealed multiple brain metastases and recurrence of right breast lesions. Following 3 additional cycles there was marked regression in both brain and breast lesions. Pt 02-003 (ER-/PR-, HER2 1+ (IHC)) received 5 cycles of SV-BR-1-GM and observed a 60% reduction (5mm -> 2mm) in a left parietal periventricular lesion, and complete resolution (CR) of a left parietal lobe. Pt 06-005 (ER+/PR-, HER2 1+) demonstrated a 56% (9mm -> 4mm) reduction in the thickness of a dural lesion overlying the left anterior temporal lobe after 6 cycles of SV-BR-1-GM + ICI. After 2 additional cycles of SV-BR-1-GM + ICI and 1 cycle of SV-BR-1-GM (ICI skipped on final cycle due to grade 2 AE), patient achieved CR of a left orbital mass observed at baseline (24mm -> 0m). Pt06-007’s (ER-/PR-, HER2 1+) CNS lesions showed a median reduction of 49% compared to baseline after 3 cycles. Pt 11-018 (ER+/PR-, HER2 +) showed standard progression (SD) at initial restaging; 14% increase in sum of diameters of intracranial metastasis. Subsequent imaging, after 3 cycles, showed significant orbital tumor reduction along with reported improvement in eye pain. Conclusions: This post-hoc analysis demonstrated promising efficacy of the Bria-IMT regimen either alone or in combination with ICIs in CNS/intracranial metastasis. The CNS/intracranial regression seen across all breast cancer subtypes among heavily pretreated patients highlights the potential of SV-BR-1-GM in managing CNS metastasis. Ongoing trials will further evaluate the efficacy of the Bria-IMT regimen in patients with CNS/intracranial metastasis. Clinical trial information: NCT03328026 .

TPS1137 Background: BriaCell (BC) human immortalized cell lines have been engineered to trigger robust immune responses and deliver efficacy through diverse mechanisms, including adaptive (involving T-cells) and innate responses (dendritic and NK cells). BC can match patients’ HLA antigens for optimal effectiveness. BC works by several mechanisms, including direct antigen presentation and activation of CD4+ T-cells. When combined with an immune checkpoint inhibitor, the BC regimen has demonstrated clinical benefit in 54 heavily treated MBCs. Most pts whose disease has progressed after checkpoint inhibitor (CPI) therapy showed similar or improved PFS compared to the patient's last treatment regimen. Disease control after prior antibody-drug conjugates (ADCs) has been observed in 40% of patients, and clinical benefit has been seen in 5/7 patients with untreated intracranial metastases. CD8+ Immuno PET shows an increase in CD8+ tumor infiltrating lymphocytes suggesting systemic activation and infiltration into lymphoid organs and metastatic sites. Sequencing of CPI with BC and the latest phase 3 formulation are associated with improved clinical outcomes, including OS (median 13.4 months), PFS, and CBR, which are reflected in the design of this ongoing pivotal registration enabling Phase 3 study [doi:10.1158/1538-7445.sabcs22-p3-07-12]. Methods: Multicenter randomized, open label Bria-IMT regimen (with SV-BR-1-GM cells) plus CPI vs Treatment of Physicians' Choice (TPC) in MBCs with no approved curative therapies available. ECOG <2 allowed with no limit on prior therapies. Eligibility encompasses all MBC subtypes including pts with CNS metastases. Prior immune therapy is allowed if administered more than 21 days before the first cycle of Bria-IMT; treatments within 21 days preclude participation. Initial randomization will be 1:1:1 to the Bria-IMT regimen + CPI (combination), TPC, and the Bria-IMT regimen alone (monotherapy). There will be 100 sites across the US, Canada, and ex-NA for 404 total evaluable pts. The Bria-IMT regimen includes: Day -2 Cyclophosphamide 300mg/m2, Day 0 20 million irradiated SV-BR-1-GM cells intradermally, and 0.1mcg peg α interferon intra-dermally (Day 2 or 3) into each Bria-IMT inoculation site. After the first 150 pts have enrolled, the monotherapy arm will be discontinued. Bria regimen + CPI arms treatment cycles occur q3w. CPI infusion is given every cycle between Day –3 to Day 3 TPC cycle details will be according to the site's SOC. Imaging assessment will be q6w x2 then q8w. The primary endpoint is overall survival with an interim analysis at 144 events targeting a hazard ratio of 0.6. Key secondary endpoints will include PFS, ORR, CBR, CNS event free survival, and TWiST (time without symptoms or toxicities). Safety analysis will be ongoing. Patient-reported outcomes will be incorporated to assess subjective treatment effects. Clinical trial information: NCT06072612 .

e13036 Background: In January 2023, the FDA approved elacestrant for ESR1-mutated, ER+/HER2- MBC based on a companion diagnostic cell free (cf)DNA test (Guardant Health). In this study, we analyze the trends of liquid biopsy utilization at Mayo Clinic (MC) over a 3 year period to understand the impact of this drug approval on testing patterns and identify emergent alterations in patients (pts) with MBC. Methods: We extracted clinically performed Guardant 360 and Guardant 360 CDx ordered at MC sites in Rochester (MN), Florida (FL), Arizona (AZ), and across 9 additional Mayo Clinic Health System (MCHS) sites. Pts with MBC were identified using the EMR and analyzing visit diagnosis codes and staging information. Shifts in testing patterns were analyzed over a 3 year period from January 1, 2021 - December 31, 2023. Data was collected on the number of tests, serial testing, frequency of pathogenic mutations, and emergent mutations in ESR1 and PIK3CA. Chi-square test was used to compare the categorical values. Results: Between 2021-2023, 2,741 pts with MBC were seen across all sites. A total of 408 cfDNA tests were performed in 370 unique patients with MBC. Most pts (90%) had 1 test performed. The proportion of pts with MBC tested was 85/1350 (6.3%) in 2021, 77/1495 (5.2%) in 2022, and 208/1558 (13.4%) in 2023. The increased proportion of pts tested in 2023 was statistically significant compared to prior years (p<0.0001), while no difference was observed between 2021 and 2022 (p 0.19). Testing patterns varied by site, with FL ordering the highest number of tests, followed by MN and AZ. Of the 34 providers practicing during the entire period seeing more than 10 MBC pts, the number of providers ordering Guardant testing increased from 15/34 (2021) and 14/34 (2022) to 20/34 (2023), though not statistically significant (p 0.15). Of the 41% with EMR-documented staging available, testing was highest in the ER+/HER2- (81.3%) subtype, followed by TNBC (13.6%) and then HER2+ (5.2%). The most commonly identified mutations identified in the first testing were PIK3CA (41.1%), TP53 (40.5%), ESR1 (30.5%), and ATM (13.2%). D538G (8.0%), Y537N (4.4%), and Y537S (3.5%) were frequent emergent mutations seen in ESR1. Conclusions: We observed an increase in cfDNA testing at the start of 2023 which aligns with the FDA approval of elacestrant. We observed variation by site and individual providers that warrants further exploration to improve cfDNA testing in MBC pts at Mayo Clinic.